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? nevada tax accountant george ashley says he knows. nice to see you, george. >> hello, greta, thank you for having me. >> greta: what's the story? people who live on the border of nevada and california are making the quick move to nevada? >> well, that's the people living on the border, but people from all sorts of places in california who want to avoid the california tax, a lot of them are thinking about packing up and moving and a lot of them are doing it. >> greta: what would be the reason, folks from deeper into the state away from nevada, but if you live on the border of california, unless you're really wedded to your house, why not move the mile into nevada and save yourself 13.3%? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> when does it make sense? suppose i have a business in california and i'm thinking of selling my business, should i move to inform nenevada before it or stuck paying the taxes no matter what. >> depends on the sale. if you're selling stock in the business, for example, you could very well become a non-resident of california by moving to a state like nevada and then subseque
know nevada better than anyone. that is your town and you write extensively on the demographics, the change. we have talked about reid and his victory there and certainly some would have said was beatible but not by sharon angle. with that said, you have got the president on the ground in nevada. why is that -- i guess a perfect place if you will for this launch to hear from him in about 40 minutes or so? >> well, tamron, even though we are not a border state, we are an emblem of what's happening in this country. the hispanic population is burgeoning for sometime. now about a quarter of the state. it was about 20% of the electorate and talk about the election results that john mccain was talking about yesterday. barack obama won the latino vote about 55 points here in 2012. about the same percentage that he won by in 2008. and look at where the president is going today to make the announcement. going to a high school which is about 62% hispanic population of kids. maybe the biggest problem in this state facing the education system is a lot of hispanic kids who have come here and
developing. certainly coming down in the sierra nevada. chain controls remain in place and all routes lead together tahoe area. it has been coming down heavily in truckee. the temperatures are running colder than where they were 24 hours ago. most of the bay area in the 40s. 37 in santa rosa. and here are the highlights. showers into tomorrow. snow level is 1500 to 2,000 feet. and we are going to see freezing cold conditions friday morning. here is a look at the system. the coldest air of the season so far right here. cold front has passed. we are going to be seeing some of the colder air filtering in. we will keep the cold, light showers through thursday. here is a computer animation. we have the few showers skirting the coast. we will keep in the possibility of a hit or miss shower. 3:00 a.m. you will notice pink showing up around mount hamilton. that is a mix of rain and snow. and that is certainly a possibility later on tomorrow as well. showers at 5:00 a.m. when some of you are heading out the door. make sure you grab your umbrellas. into 9:00 a.m., a few light showers in the south. m
these last 60 years is to tempt travelers off interstate 80 in the utah-nevada border, with this tiny gash of high desert, casino commerce and leave lighter in the wallet. knowing precious little about the stories wendover love to tell about the racers that come here to break speed records at the nearby bonneville flats, and the plane that took off for hiroshima. but there's also the story they whispered to each other up and down the little strip, the one that shocked them all, that puzzles them still about the terrible night when three families lost their teenage children. about the dark mysteries spawned under the pointing grin of wendover will. ♪ >> it was a thursday afternoon. a windy, late winter day in the high desert, here at the local high school, star runner micaela costanzo cleaned up after track practice. mickey, as everyone called her, intended to walk home. wasn't far, about a mile. her usual ride, her sister christina was out of town. >> before we had left, me and/or my husband would always pick micaela up from school, and so we were, like, are you sure you're going to have
, and lovely. >> coming up next, endangered sierra nevada red fox. hmm, it says here that cheerios helps lower cholesterol as part of a heart healthy diet. that's true. ...but you still have to go to the gym. ♪ the one and only, cheerios ...and now... you! [ giggles ] ♪ the one and only, cheerios >>> a environmental group plans to sue the goflt for protection of the sierra nevada red fox. there are only two known populations of the rare fox in california. a group of 20 near z.a family of eight near son nora pass. this red fox lives in remote high mountains and tlus used to thrive throughout california and oregon. the center for biological diversity accused u.s. fish and wildlife services of failing to develop a recovery plan. they believe global warming will shrink habitat more. >> mavericks surf contest is back, kicking off on sunday at 8:00 a.m. this this week a storm sent swells barreling towards the pacific coast. organizers say it should make for a great day of surfing. >> waves from 30 feet, plus. not going to be like, giant, it's going to be solid. and give athletes a chance to show
for the university. he's known te'o and his family since. he's now the head coach for the university of nevada football team. good to see you, sir. you visited te'o 15 times when you were recruiting him, you got to know him, you've talked to him since this story broke. what has he said to you? >> well, our conversations, in fact, have been via text. and to be honest with you, i did not want to get into the details of the whole thing with him. frankly, i was more concerned about his welfare as a person and that of his family. so really the focus was, hey, kiddo, how you doing, is everything okay? and the conversations kind of went along those lines. >> and how was he? does he seem -- is he -- are they -- are you truly worried about him and his mental well-being right now, or is he doing okay? >> no, i think he's doing okay. at the very beginning of this whole process, i could just sense that he was tired and that he was, you know, a little bit worn out by it and i was concerned about his mom and dad, and, you know, the one thing about the young man, he's very emotional. he wears it on his sleev
to nevada at this hour. a state that has come to symbolize the power and importance of the growing latino vote. the president is expected to lay out his own vision for immigration reform and show his public support for the bipartisan senate plan that was announced only yesterday. >> joining me now for our daily fix chris cali sfwl sxwl a, managing editor of post, and susan page, washington bureau chief for usa today. chris, what we are told is contrary to some reports that there is not a great deal of distance between what the president is going to say tow today and what the senate announced, at least as far as it goes, if the senate were to collapse, the senate plan were to collapse, then he might come out with perhaps a more liberal plan, but he is pretty much in sync on the advice of the congressional hispanic caucus to stay in line with what they're doing on the hill? >> that's incredibly meaningful because what that means is that it's not two tracks that this is running on. it's one track. this senate proposal -- again, there are a fair number of specifics in the senate
people in nevada to get approved. in that moment alan said, i felt the fear vanish. i felt accepted. so today alan's in a second year at the college of southern nevada. alan's studying to become a doctor. he hopes to join the air force. he's working hard every single day to build a better life for himself and his family. and all he wants is the opportunity to do his part to build a better america. so in the coming weeks, as the idea of reform becomes more real, and the debate becomes more heated and there are folk who is are trying to pull this thing apart, remember alan. and all those who share the same hopes and the same dreams. remember that this is not just a debate about policy. it's about people. it's about men and women. and young people. who want nothing more than the chance to earn their way in to the american story. and throughout our history, that's only made our nation stronger. and it's how we'll make sure that this century is the same as the last, an american century, welcoming of everybody who aspires to do something more. is willing to work hard to do it. is willing to p
:30. >> good evening, right here on world news, colder in nevada than alaska. the freezing temperatures on the way out west. the record highs in the east, right here tonight, and what this all means, and the flu vaccine now running out in some places. what pharmacists are now saying. and a question about who shot jfk. was at it conspiracy? we'll get into it hmm, it says here that cheerios helps lower cholesterol as part of a heart healthy diet. that's true. ...but you still have to go to the gym. ♪ the one and only, cheerios ...and now... you! [ giggles ] ♪ the one and only, cheerios >> ama: our cold temperatures remain a big concern for citrus growers in the central valley. they're taking frost prevention measures. 75% of the citrus crop i still on the tree. back-to-back frosty nights can add up to millions in losses. growers are wrapping young trees and using wind machines and that could cost the citrus industry millions of dollars for electricity. >> running a wind machine, at least 25 to $30 an hour. we have 12,000 wind machines in place. >> growers say they're better off protec
will see showers for the morning hours. in the sierra nevada they are starting to get some snow. it is coming up from the south, and you can see it is a mild storm. it is resulting in the possibility of a couple inches of snow. not expected to be a big snow maker. the snow levels are running high and it will be above 7,000 feet. the temperatures right now are 40s and 50s. it was certainly a cooler day today. the visibility as you will notice with some fog developing down to 3 miles in novato. when you head out the door you will not only face the showers, but the fog. so keep that in mind. the rain continues overnight and damp for the morning drive and a chance of rain for this weekend. do not can sell your plans. it is not going to be a wash up. here is the system producing the rain. it is a slow mover. once the system moves through we will see the rain winding down. here is the computer animation. you notice the front continues to move down to the south. in the morning in the bay area you are still going to see the rain showers, and the showers won't wind down this will early a
he played for the university of nevada. he immigrated from the philippines. he says all the customers he's been getting because of kaepernick is his american dream come true. >> growing up here, i know something is going co come up. >> adrian says he's been getting lots of calls from people. they don't just want tattoos like kaepernick's. that they kaepernick's picture tattooed on them. >> that would hurt. >> you think you have what it takes to be call add super fan? students sent us this shot. >> these four sisters are showing off their team spirit. love the little cheerleader. thank you for sending that picture. >> who's got it better than this family? nobody. alex andorra sent us that picture from san jose. >> the eye black looks good with the tutu. i like that. >> there's taz. let's hope he wakes up in time for the big game. keep them coming. send your fan photos to we love them. upload to be sure to include your hometown. we'll air as many as we can from now until the super bowl. send them on in. >
.m. in new york city. president obama is going to unveil his immigration reform in a major speech in nevada, a state where hispanics make up 20% of the population. it's after a group of bipartisan senators reached a compromise on how to move forward with comprehensive immigration legislation. included in the bill, citizenship for 11 million undocumented workers in this country. >> other bipartisan groups and senators have stood in the same spot before trumpeting similar pro po sales. the politics on this issue have been turned upside down. for the first time ever, there's more political risk in opposing immigration reform than supporting it. >> what's going on now is unacceptable. in reality, what's been created is a de facto amnesty. we have been too content for too long to allow them to mow our lawn, serve our food, clean our homes and watch our children while not affording them the benefits that make our country great. >> those seeking citizenship would be required to register with the federal government, settle debts with the government including fines and back taxes, under go a crimina
wayne la pierre, a top official at the nra, to the opening of this nevada weapons range. >> people who criticize this probably would criticize baseball. >> reporter: la pierre's visit was a big boost for reid, who was courting gun owners in his very pro-second amendment state of nevada, in a tough battle for re-election. >> i also want to thank you, senator, for your support every day at the federal level for the second amendment, and for the rights of american gun owners. >> both reid and the nra declined to talk to cnn on camera, but democratic sources on capitol hill say the nra was not the only threat to the president's health care bill. lawmakers were also worried about conspiracy theories, circulating among gun enthusiasts that falsely accused the obama administration of plotting to use the health care law to go after gun owners. one group, gun owners of america, insists it could still happen. >> it says that all of our medical records are available to be pawed through by bureaucrats somewhere in washington, looking for a reason to disenfranchise gun owners. >> the senate majorit
, yeah. okay. well, if you are going to head up to the sierra nevada, no delays. and warmer afternoon highs a week ago in the mid-20s. mid-40s today for highs. it's zero right now in the sierra nevada right around truckee. 3 at the tahoe valley airport. this is vollmer peak. the east bay valleys are below freezing. we are talking about still above-normal precip for santa rosa down through san jose with nearly seven inches for the season in san jose. no worries yet, but we do have the possibility of rain in our seven-day outlook. live doppler 7hd right here, right now, showing clear conditions. in fact, we aren't going to look at any cloud cover for the next several days. but by tuesday we will see increasing clouds. the ridge breaks down. that ridge protecting us and we could see a little rain by the middle of the week. and certainly the second half of the work week it's much cooler. speaking of cool, what about cold this morning in fairfield. 28 degrees. 29 santa rosa with 45 in san francisco. look at half poon bay. 52 degrees. so what a wide range of temperatures. just 31 in livermo
to the mid-and-upper 50's today and right on through tomorrow. temperatures in the sierra nevada mild with the cool air not hitting yet and 45 in tahoe and 59 in big sur and then we will see a chance of snow hours tomorrow morning which is about the only chance in the sierra nevada throughout the week ahead and 58 in oakland and fremont. napa, too. we are starting out with clouds. nice looking shower. but more sunshine and then clouds and vacation if livermore and by the monterey bay it and 70 yesterday in salinas. today, just 59, so, back to reality, but even below average through tomorrow and by monday, mostly sunny, little temperature change, and tuesday and wednesday we begin to feel the effects of a milder air mass thursday, friday, lower 60's and i am sure not everyone likes that, we could use more snow in the mountains, but, otherwise, manageable for getting on with the day. >> you put something in the mail know leg is a slight chance it could get lost a bay area man says his package was not lost it got stuck in another world known as "postal loop." michael 1510 mile 15 any has
this. but today, the president gave a speech on immigration reform in nevada and he took air force one all the way to nevada and gave a speech and brought it back. now i suppose, every president did that before him. but these are very tough economic if i'm times and it doesn't set a particularly good example. do you have a problem with that? >> i don't have a problem with it. but i think it would be fascinating if they told us weekly how much they spent running around the country. you want presidents to travel. i never object to a president who goes to camp david because i think, frankly, the job is so crushing -- >> i think -- i totally agree. >> i like the president being out with t i think any president -- whoever it is. but i did think it was interesting today. this is the real test of immigration. i believe we are going to be able to work our way towards some kind of commonsense, practical step, many of which i campaigned on a year ago. it will be interesting to see if obama deliberately steps in to try to stop it by raising thante. >> why would he do that? he says that he wants i
, where we have chain controls for interstate 880, colfax to the nevada state line and around highway 50. there you see the system sliding east of the sierra. we'll toss some late day clouds our way. overall, another cool, breezy afternoon. lots of sunshine here hour by hour as we head into the afternoon. our high temperatures only running into the 50s. for the sierra, a good year for snowfall. you'll see another good two to three inches in the next 24 hours. low to mid-50s around san francisco and the coast, where it's going to feel a little bit cooler, even with the sunshine today, thanks to the cool, chilly winds out of the southwest. as we head toward wednesday and thursday, high pressure is going to center itself over northern california, which will boost our temperatures up. and be looking at mid-60s at least in the warmest spots. second half of the weekend it looks like we'll carry that forecast into next weekend on a dry note. >> that's fantastic. good news. like to see the warmer temperatures coming back. >>> much more ahead on "today in the bay." coming up, are terrain parks be
. they are also searching around nevada for the missing girl. coming up at 6:30 we'll show you what investigates, are saying about the search-and- rescue effort. >>> california just hit a major healthcare reform milestone. the feds today gave the state the go-ahead to launch its own insurance exchange. the online marketplace will allow individuals and small businesses to compare plan benefits and prices before they buy. it's one of the many requirements of the president's healthcare overhaul plan. the goal is to make health insurance more affordable. california's exchange should be running by october. >>> new at 6:00 the lawsuit that's a first-of-its-kind in the state. a modesto man is suing three sacramento smoke shops. ben sosenko says the man wasn't warned how sick he could get from using something called a whippet. >> actualone point that we had to and out for clergy. >> reporter: jason says he barely survived. now he uses a walker and at times has trouble speaking. he says it's all because he inhaled nitrous oxide. >> i had had it many times at the dentist's office. >> reporter: he thought
is set to lay out his plan on immigration proposal in nevada. here to talk about it is gloria borger, and cornell belcher, and margaret hoover. gloria, let me start with you, what is so different this time around for the republicans? simply the reality of november's election? >> yeah, they are worried about their own survival as a political party. one way to survive as a party is to broaden your base and not remain hostage to a single part of it. i think that has been the problem for the republican party when you talk about john mccain. when john mccain was challenged from the right in 2010, when he was running for re-election to the senate, he became much more conservative on immigration policy, and now he is sort of unshackled and back to the position that he was in, in 2005 and 2007. i mean, you know, i spent a lot of time with him on that straight talk express when he was running for the presidency in 2007. i remember him telling me that he was stunned at the survival of the party and that is why they are getting together with the democrats. >> and first of all, there was this on
debate as president obama puts forth his vision today in nevada. those reports after these messages. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool if we took the already great sentra apart and completely reimagined it with best-in-class combined mpg and more interior room than corolla and civic and a technology suite with bluetooth, navigation, and other handy stuff? yeah, that would be cool. introducing the all-new nissan sentra. it's our most innovative sentra ever. nissan. innovation that excites. now get a $169 per month lease on a new nissan sentra, plus $500 bonus cash. ♪ >> bill: impact segment tonight intently how long has he worked here, 20 minutes? >> hello. >> okay, colmes, any quibble with the interview. >> you asked good questions and he gave you good answers. >> bill: do you think he will become a democrat? >> no. >> bill: do you think he will leave the republican party. >> i think the republican party needs a bigger tent. he is an example of why it is necessary. >> bill: he seemed to me during that interview to be more democrat than republican. did he seem that way to you.
was in today, nevada, there is a republican hispanic governor in the state, very popular, brian sandoval. you look at new mexico. republican hispanic governor, susannah martinez. part of the problem republicans have communicating to hispanics is the total utter toxicity of the republican brand, the washington, d.c. brand. but once you're able to break out of that d.c. brand, republicans are able to put an imprint that is appropriate for nevada or new mexico on the party. and you're finding success there. now, i don't think that the numbers that you talked about on those issues are permanent. republicans when we just finish the presidential election where we were doomed by comments like the 47%, we need to have a message that reaches out to every american, is about empowerment, is about climbing the socio-economic ladder, about revitalizing the american middle class that has been in decline. we have to talk about those things. we have to have plans that are grounded in reality to deal with the problems that american families are facing. conservatism is a governing policy that has served this c
reid does not want to fwe through tgo thr gyrations on gun policy because frankly he comes from nevada. harry reid has had a very high record from the nra, very high ranking from the nra. any of us who have been to nevada know that there is a very big gun culture there and the other surrounding states. frankly, the two senators from nevada and idaho where there is great gun culture have just as much votes as the two senators from california or from some other northeastern states. and i think it's important that the white house listen to some of these voices coming from some of the more rural areas like an idaho, like a nevada, because they vote, too. and we need to make them part of the debate. i've been very concerned to -- sorry. >> they'll clearly be listened to. that's not the point. the issue is how you build consensus for real gun -- >> have you seen folks from out west from the rural areas be part of the debates on the sunday shows? >> absolutely. ? i've seen a lot of urban mayor, but not the folks from the west. gr then you should listen up to what center joe manchin had to say
around california, nevada even oregon it is quiet right now. temperature is 38 at tahoe. 42 at yosemite. mid 50s around the coast and low to mid-60s down to southern california. >>> new this morning, the new year will bring new light go to a town in marin county. marin wood is getting energy efficient street lights. 242 of the 291 lights will be replaced. it's part of a plan to save electricity and taxpayer money. the services district manager says it could save the district more than $2900 a year. >>> the 49ers may have new kicker in the playoffs. they signed a new player yesterday. it follows david akers missing two more field goals on sunday. fortunately we won, but he had 69% this season. akers may have open competition for the kicking job. >> two teams meet tonight. they are the warriors and the los angeles clippers. the teams are more known for losing than winning. in the past 21 years, they have made the playoffs just six times combined. but this year it is different. clippers who had 17 game winning streak snapped last night have the best record in the league and four games bett
door to door at the horizon casino resort in state line, nevada, searching for any signs of 19-year-old alyssa byrne. >> reporter: kim byrne last saw her 19-year-old daughter on saturday when she left their petaluma home with three friends headed for a weekend in south lake tahoe. alyssa texted her parents every day of the trip until she went missing on new year's eve. >> i know that this is very much unlike her to not call or text somebody to let them know that she's okay. >> reporter: alyssa and her friends had gone to a party as that night called snow globe. this is video another person posted on youtube. alyssa took a shuttle from the party to the hotel the horizon on new year's eve. the last her friends heard from her was at about 8:00 that night. >> i'm hoping maybe she is just out there being a typical teenager and just having a great time and letting time slip away from her. >> reporter: alyssa works at cattle man's restaurant in petaluma as a hostess. she is also taking classes at the local junior college to be a firefighter paramedic. she was last seen at a bar at the hori
. ♪ >> bret: from the reviewing stand, these dancers from nevada. we have a lot of different folks from all 50 states of course. behind them, the next band. ♪ >> bret: kentucky. there you go. from kentucky. today, president obama spokebe of the enduring strength of the constitution, and allegiance to the idea that all men are created equal. and limitless possibilities. chief washington correspondent james rosen on a president going big picture on his big day. >> it is now our generation's task to carry on what those pioneers began. pioneers the prt invokeed were the civil rights leaders, women launching the roughrage movement, and martin luther king and marchers for racial equality and those since 1960s championed equality for gays and lesbians. >> we, the people, declare today that the most evident of truths, that all of us are created equal. the star that guides us still. just as it wide toed the forbearers from selma to stonewall. >> that set a tone on the address on the martin luther king junior day. it allowed the president to suggest he is part of history. i don't think there is a ques
block a fast track lane. kristen and eric? >> we will keep an eye on that. authorities in nevada could identify the 20 year police veteran accused of killing his wife and child before taking his life in boulder city 20 miles southeast of las vegas. police responded to a home early in the morning after a man called 9-1-1 and claimed he killed his wife and child. officers found the home on fire and a man at the door with a gun to his head. he later killed himself. no motive is revealed. >> ahead consume reports and 7 on your side look at common complaints of canned food but more fallout following the tragedy in connecticut, a company will though longer offer >> santa clara, san francisco, east bay, and all the bay area, this is abc7 news. >> welcome back. check out the wall of water sitting to the west of us. that is how strong the area of high pressure is which we see the form of high clouds. it has kept of us from 32 inland to 40's, low-to-mid 60's through the afternoon, with filtered sunshine and in the mid-to-upper 40's around 7:00. it will be dry today. rain in the forecast in three
of labor hilda solis. two of the outstanding members of the congressional delegation from nevada, steve horseburg and vina titus. your own mayor carolyn goodman! but we also have some mayors that flew in because they know how important the issue we're going to talk about today is, maria lopez rogers from avondale, arizona, quassim reed from atlanta, georgia, greg stem from phoenix, arizona, and ashley swearington from fresno, california. and all of you are here as well as some of the top labor leaders in the country and we are just so grateful, some outstanding business leaders are here as well. and, of course, we got wonderful students here. so i could not be prouder of our students. is now those of you that have a seat, feel free to take a seat. i don't mind. [ inaudible ] >> i love you back. last week, last week i had the honor of being sworn in for a second term as president of the united states. and during my inaugural address, i talked about how making progress on the defining challenges of our time doesn't require us to settle every debate or ignore every difference that we may h
of controls itself. they will start testing this car in nevada on actual nevada roads very, very soon and then toyota and lexus say they're not really looking to build a robotic car, instead they want a car that's accident proof. check this thing out, right? it's got sensors on the front, the rear and as you can see, they're on the roof. the sensors include laser tracking to pick up objects about 250 feet away and hd cameras that can pick up objects like oncoming cars or traffic lights up to 500 feet away. and the front of the vehicle is equipped with radar that can measure the speed and the location of uncoming traffic or approaching vehicles. and they can gauge how fast you should be going to deal with those. here is the big thing. the cars, are you ready, they use short wave signals to communicate, megyn, with other cars. to tell the other cars that maybe they're about to be in a collision. it's amazing stuff. it's not going to be on the market in the next couple years, but all the same, five years, seven years down the road, these could be very prevalent. >> megyn: that's fantasti
and in this last election it happened in delaware and colorado and nevada two years before that we will have to see what happens. if the republican party keeps nominating people too far to the right, they may snatch defeat out of jaws of victory once again. >> interesting you brought up the six year itch. brad, i was going to ask you about g.o.p. has to gain six seats to take control. and something that the university of virginia political scientists larry sabato said just the other day, the post world war ii average for that six year itch mid terms is that the opposition party does, in fact, gain six seats. so, can the republican party hit that average? and what do you think about that more right leaning senate that the congressman just mentioned? >> i think it's certainly possible. i believe professor sabato is absolutely correct. we could pick up six seats. historically we know in midterm elections we know they don't favor the party in power of the white house. the president has an uphill battle. the other time you have good news any time you have incumbent democrat seat pop up. the g.o.p. hasn'
in las vegas, nevada 80s the mgm grand back in september of 2006. >> geraldo: travis and jodi date several months but trust issues lead to a breakup. >> a snoop. couldn't help herself. got ahold of his cellular telephone and she wanted to see what was in there and she found things there that she didn't like. at that point shepar they brea. june 29 of 2007. >> geraldo: despite the split, travis and jodi stay in contact and continue to have sex including on the day he died. the act photographed by the defendant. >> it is nothing that he nor i ever intended to be made public. >> geraldo: but the bedroom encounter isn't the only action filmed that day. if the search of his house following the murder police find camera shots of travis in the shower just minutes before he is killed. plus other photographs apparently taken accidentally. >> i didn't commit a murder. i didn't hurt travis. i would never hurt travis. >> geraldo: jodi claims innocence. even pointing the ficker at a former roommate. >> you might want to talk to a guy named thomas brown. and i don't think that honestly i haven't
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